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kennedy lowered -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> ronald reagan -- >> let's bring in david cay johnston to sort it out. pulitzer prize winning journalist and author of the book "the fine print: how big companies use plain english to rob you blind." david cay, great to have you with us tonight. >> good to be here. >> isn't ryan supposed to -- you bet. isn't ryan supposed to be the brain of the romney campaign and we're lacking specifics? i mean, wasn't that a poor explanation? >> well, yes, and let me give you his idea of a study. he said there are six studies. three of those six studies are blog posts and one of them is by a research assistant at aei, which is one of the big ideological marketing organizations that pitch you their view of the world just the way companies advertise other products. but blog posts, those are studies that prove things? that's hilarious. >> why doesn't the plan add up? why doesn't his so-called plan for america, the 20% cut, add up? where's the flaw? >> well, it does add up for the very rich. if you li
kennedy lowered -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> ronald reagan -- >> let's bring in david cay johnston to sort it out. pulitzer prize winning journalist and author of the book "the fine print: how big companies use plain english to rob you blind." david cay, great to have you with us tonight. >> good to be here. >> isn't ryan supposed to -- you bet. isn't ryan supposed to be the brain of the romney campaign and we're lacking specifics? i mean, wasn't...
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. >> it has been done before, jack kennedy lowered taxes and increased growth. >> now are you jack kennedy. >> this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. >> that's right. >> i understand you aren't used to being by artisan. >> but we told what we were going to do, when we did it with reagan we said here is what we will cut, this is what he said. show the details. >> that is how you get things done, let me say it this way. >> that is coming from the republican congress, working bipartisanly? 7% rating? come on. >> mitt romney was governor of massachusetts where 87% of the legislators he served with were democrats. he didn't demonize them. he didn't demogue them. he met with those party leaders every week. he reached across the aisle, he didn't compromise principless. >> and you saw what happened. >> he balanced the budget. >> if he did such a great job-- why isn't he even contesting massachusetts. >> what would you suggest beyond raising taxes on the wealthy that would substantially -- >> just let taxes expire like they are supposed to on those millionaires.
. >> it has been done before, jack kennedy lowered taxes and increased growth. >> now are you jack kennedy. >> this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. >> that's right. >> i understand you aren't used to being by artisan. >> but we told what we were going to do, when we did it with reagan we said here is what we will cut, this is what he said. show the details. >> that is how you get things done, let me say it...
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jack kennedy -- biden: oh, now you're jack kennedy. [laughter] ryan: republicans and democrats have worked together on this. biden: that's right. we told you what we're going to do. [inaudible conversations] rune ryan we're going to fill in the details. that's how you get things done. you work with congress -- look, let me say it this way. biden: that's coming from a republican congress working bipartisanly? 7% rating? ryan: mitt romney was governor of massachusetts where 87% of the legislators were democrats. he didn't demonize them, demagogue them, he met with those party leaders every week, he reached across the aisle, he didn't compromise principles, he found common ground, and he -- [inaudible conversations] >> moderator: vice president -- biden: why isn't he even contesting massachusetts? >> moderator: what would you suggest beyond raising taxes on the wealthy that would substantially reduce -- biden: just let taxes expire like they're supposed to on those millionaires. we don't -- we can't afford $800 billion going to people mak
jack kennedy -- biden: oh, now you're jack kennedy. [laughter] ryan: republicans and democrats have worked together on this. biden: that's right. we told you what we're going to do. [inaudible conversations] rune ryan we're going to fill in the details. that's how you get things done. you work with congress -- look, let me say it this way. biden: that's coming from a republican congress working bipartisanly? 7% rating? ryan: mitt romney was governor of massachusetts where 87% of the legislators...
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jack kennedy lowers tax rates and -- >> now you're jack kennedy. >> joining us now here in new york is salon.com's joan walsh and in washington michael scherer white house correspondent for "time." >> did i not know jack kennedy. he was not a friend of mine but i feel confident in saying paul ryan is no jack kennedy. would you agree? >> i would agree with that. and he walked right into that. he wahanded that to joe biden a it was hilarious. michael, my friend, literally my friend, not in the joe biden sense, michael is my friend, is in the beltway, i don't mean to dispaur raj beltway reporters, but paul ryan has been given such a pass. he has a reputation for being a worngy guy, good at the numbers. his numbers have never added up. he has this reputation for being a deficit hawk. as joe biden said he voted for the wars, for the new medicare -- >> the prescription drug benefit. >> he voted -- >> the bush tax cuts. >> the bush tax cuts, all of the bush budgets. he voted for a bush stimulus. in addition to voting against obama stimulus but asking for money, he voted for bush stimulus and
jack kennedy lowers tax rates and -- >> now you're jack kennedy. >> joining us now here in new york is salon.com's joan walsh and in washington michael scherer white house correspondent for "time." >> did i not know jack kennedy. he was not a friend of mine but i feel confident in saying paul ryan is no jack kennedy. would you agree? >> i would agree with that. and he walked right into that. he wahanded that to joe biden a it was hilarious. michael, my friend,...
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. >> jack kennedy lowered tax rates and increased growth. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. i understand you guys aren't used to bipartisan deals. >> when we did it with reagan, he said these are the things we'll cut. >> we'll fill in the details. >> that's how you get things done. you work with congress -- look, let me say it this way. >> republican congress, working bipartisanly. 7% rating, come on. >> 87% of legislators were democrats. he didn't dem niz them, dem going to them, he met with them every week, reached across the aisle, didn't compromise principles, and he balanced the budget. >> if he did such a great job. a great job -- >> without raising taxes. >> why isn't he contesting massachusetts? >> what would you suggest beyond raising taxes on the wealthy that would substantially reduce the long-term deficit. >> let taxes expire like they are supposed to on millionaires. we can't afford this going to people making a minimum of a million dollars. they don't need it tho. middle class people need the help. why
. >> jack kennedy lowered tax rates and increased growth. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. i understand you guys aren't used to bipartisan deals. >> when we did it with reagan, he said these are the things we'll cut. >> we'll fill in the details. >> that's how you get things done. you work with congress -- look, let me say it this way. >> republican congress, working...
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kennedy-- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy. >> ronald reagan-- >> pelley: there's the jack kennedy line from the vice presidential debate in which lloyd benson told dan quayle that he was no jack kennedy. but right there was a very good example where you could see the vice president's technique. he was stepping on ryan over and over. every time ryan got going on something, biden would laugh, step on him, cut him off, he was being very aggressive. >> he was like the guy in the barco lounger yelling at the tv while being involved in the debate itself which comes across, if you're trying to be the guy speaking to the middle class, that's the way it goes. but this question of math is quite crucial because this is-- as norah said, who do you trust when the hard math is being done. both the president and mitt romney have said we've got to schinch this budget in a time of scarcity. who is going to do that? who is going to be in charge of that when the hard cutting has it to get done? >> pelley: we have nancy cordes and jan crawford covering the romney and obama campaigns. and they're joining u
kennedy-- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy. >> ronald reagan-- >> pelley: there's the jack kennedy line from the vice presidential debate in which lloyd benson told dan quayle that he was no jack kennedy. but right there was a very good example where you could see the vice president's technique. he was stepping on ryan over and over. every time ryan got going on something, biden would laugh, step on him, cut him off, he was being very aggressive. >> he was like the guy in...
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. >> jack kennedy proposed tax increase growth. >> now you're jack kennedy. this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. i understand you guys aren't used to doing bipartisan deal. >> but we told you what we're going to do. when we did it reagan. >> here's the framework and work together to fill in the details. >> fill in the details. >> that's how you get things done. look, let me say it. >> that's coming from a republican congress working bipartisanly 7% rating. >> mitt romney was governor of massachusetts where 87% of the legislators he served with were democrats. he didn't demonize them. he didn't demagogue them. met with those party leaders every week. he reached across the & he didn't compromise principles and found common ground. >> if he did such a great job -- if he did such a great job in massachusetts why isn't he even contesting in massachusetts? >> what would you suggest beyond raising taxes on the wealthy that would substantially reduce the long-term deficit? >> let the taxes expire like they are supposed to on tho
. >> jack kennedy proposed tax increase growth. >> now you're jack kennedy. this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. i understand you guys aren't used to doing bipartisan deal. >> but we told you what we're going to do. when we did it reagan. >> here's the framework and work together to fill in the details. >> fill in the details. >> that's how you get things done. look, let me say it. >> that's coming from a...
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. >> jack kennedy lowered tax rates and increased growth. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. >> that's right. >> i understand you guys aren't used to doing bipartisan deal. >> we told each other what we're going to do. here's what we're going to cut. >> we'll fill in the details. >> that's how you get things done. you work with congress. let me say it this way -- >> that's coming from a republican congress working bipartisanly? 7% rating? >> come on. >> mitt romney was goench of massachusetts where 87% of the legislatures were democrats. he didn't denonize them. he didn't dem going to them. he met with those leaders, he reached across the aisles. >> you saw what happened. >> you saw what happened. if he did such a great job it. >> mr. vice president. >> without raising taxes. >> why isn't he contesting massachusetts? >> what would you suggest beyond raising taxes on the wealthy that would substantially reduce the long-term deficits? >> let taxes expire like they're supposed to on the millionaires. we can't afford $80
. >> jack kennedy lowered tax rates and increased growth. >> now you're jack kennedy. >> this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. >> that's right. >> i understand you guys aren't used to doing bipartisan deal. >> we told each other what we're going to do. here's what we're going to cut. >> we'll fill in the details. >> that's how you get things done. you work with congress. let me say it this way --...
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kennedy?" that was the top tweet of the night. when ryan accused the obama administration getting caught with its hands in the cookie jar raiding medicare. the popular google searches on ryan during the debate included, how old is, shirtless and workout, pointing to photos of ryan pumped up on camera. for biden, no shirtless searches to report so far. instead, people searched most on these, how old is, laughing and his wife jill. we'll let bill maher get the last laugh today. he tweeted, hello, 911, there's an old man beating up a child on my tv." if you listen to last night's debate you heard the word "malark "malarkey" thrown more than once. accusations from biden his challenger wasn't being truthful. who dished out the most baloney? back this wean, "the washington post" fact checker and blogger glenn kessler. thanks for joining us. >> glad to be with you. >> with the topic out of the gate last night, that's the deadly attack of the u.s. consulate in libya, when the moderator asked vice presi
kennedy?" that was the top tweet of the night. when ryan accused the obama administration getting caught with its hands in the cookie jar raiding medicare. the popular google searches on ryan during the debate included, how old is, shirtless and workout, pointing to photos of ryan pumped up on camera. for biden, no shirtless searches to report so far. instead, people searched most on these, how old is, laughing and his wife jill. we'll let bill maher get the last laugh today. he tweeted,...
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. >> jack kennedy lowered -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy. >> ronald reagan. this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. >> that's right. >> i understand you guys aren't used to doing bipartisan deals. >> here are the things we're going to cut. this is what he said. >> we're going to fill in the details. >> fill in the details. >> that's how you get things done. you work with congress. let me say this this way. >> that's coming from the republican congress working bipartisanly, 7% rating. >> mitt romney was governor of massachusetts where 87% of the legislators he searched with were democrats. he didn't demonize them. he didn't demagogue them. he met with those party leaders every week. he reached across the aisle. he didn't compromise principles. >> you saw what happened. if he did such a great job -- if he did such a great job in massachusetts, why isn't he even contested massachusetts? >> let them expire on those millionaires? we can't afford $800 billion going to people making a minimum of $1 million. they do not need it, ma
. >> jack kennedy lowered -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy. >> ronald reagan. this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. >> that's right. >> i understand you guys aren't used to doing bipartisan deals. >> here are the things we're going to cut. this is what he said. >> we're going to fill in the details. >> fill in the details. >> that's how you get things done. you work with congress. let me say this...
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. >> jack kennedy lowered tax -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> ronald reagan. >> you are no jack kennedy, 24 years later. joe biden turned up the intensity after a lackluster debate performance at the top of the ticket. good morning. i'm willie geist and this is "way too early." in danville, kentucky, they were pressed from the moderator. some of the shorpest points of contrast came on the subject of iran's nuclear program and the two sides conflicting plans for medicare. the vice president made an effort to be engaged even when congressman ryan had the floor. unlike president obama, the vice president kept his eyes on his opponent smiling and shaking his head as the republican candidate attacked. >>> the hot topic of libya and the deadly assault in benghazi that killed four americans including the u.s. ambassador. president obama's deputy campaign manager suggested the only reason the obama's handling of the attack is because the republicans are talking about it on the campaign trail. she said that was reckless and irresponsib irresponsible.
. >> jack kennedy lowered tax -- >> now you're jack kennedy? >> ronald reagan. >> you are no jack kennedy, 24 years later. joe biden turned up the intensity after a lackluster debate performance at the top of the ticket. good morning. i'm willie geist and this is "way too early." in danville, kentucky, they were pressed from the moderator. some of the shorpest points of contrast came on the subject of iran's nuclear program and the two sides conflicting plans...
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kennedy -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy? >> done exactly right and is absurd. >> you know, i think the republicans that i saw during the debate and after were saying, that was rude he wasn't allowing him to talk? you know, what's wrong with that? i like the idea that he was doing the constant interjex. it was getting under ryan's skin. it was rattling him. what's wrong with the grimmaces, the constant heckling? the policies were one thing and i think getting in his face was just the right medicine last night. >> now, let me ask the big picture political question, dana, and i want margie to weigh in as well. the democratic base for mr. b biden or did it just help ril up the base? >> it did clearly energyize the base. people are asking does that turn off independents or undecideds. i think even if it did that to some extent, what needed to be done was the reverse, the narrative that had been in place since a week ago that the democrats were back on their heels on the defensive. joe biden was not on the defensive last night. he
kennedy -- >> oh, now you're jack kennedy? >> done exactly right and is absurd. >> you know, i think the republicans that i saw during the debate and after were saying, that was rude he wasn't allowing him to talk? you know, what's wrong with that? i like the idea that he was doing the constant interjex. it was getting under ryan's skin. it was rattling him. what's wrong with the grimmaces, the constant heckling? the policies were one thing and i think getting in his face was...
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. >> now you're jack kennedy? >> ronald reagan -- republicans -- >> this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. >> that's right. >> i understand you guys aren't used to doing bipartisan deals. >> we told each other what we're going to do. you said, here are the things we're going to cut. here's what he said. >> fill in the details. that's exactly -- >> fill in the details. >> that's how you get things -- >> that's coming from a republican congress working bipartisanly? 7% rating? come on. >> mitt romney was governor of massachusetts where 87% of the legislators he served with were democrats. he didn't demonize them. he didn't demagogue them. he met with those party leaders every week. he reached across the aisle. he didn't compromise principles. >> you saw what happened. >> he balanced the budget. >> if he did such a great job -- why is he contesting massachusetts? >> vice president, what would you suggest beyond raising taxes on the wealthy that would substantially reduce the defic
. >> now you're jack kennedy? >> ronald reagan -- republicans -- >> this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. >> that's right. >> i understand you guys aren't used to doing bipartisan deals. >> we told each other what we're going to do. you said, here are the things we're going to cut. here's what he said. >> fill in the details. that's exactly -- >> fill in the details. >> that's how you get things --...
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. >> now you're jack kennedy. this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. i understand you guys aren't used to doing bipartisan deals. >> we told you what we're going to do. this is what we said what we're going to cut. >> that's how you get things done, you work with congress. let me say it this way. >> republican congress working bipartisanly. 7% rating. come on. >> mitt romney was governor of massachusetts where 87% of the ladies and gentlemen slators he served with were democrats. he didn't demonize them dema gog them. he met with them every week, he reached across the aisle, didn't compromise principles, found common ground and balanced the budget. [ all speak at once ] >> why is he even contesting massachusetts? >> what would you suggest beyond raising taxes on the wealthy that would substantially reduce -- >> just let taxes expire like they're supposed to on those millionaires. we can't afford $800 billion going to people making a minimum of a million dollars. they do not nee
. >> now you're jack kennedy. this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together on this. i understand you guys aren't used to doing bipartisan deals. >> we told you what we're going to do. this is what we said what we're going to cut. >> that's how you get things done, you work with congress. let me say it this way. >> republican congress working bipartisanly. 7% rating. come on. >> mitt romney was governor of massachusetts where 87% of the...
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. >> jack kennedy. >> oh, now you're jack kennedy? this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together -- i understand you guys -- >> we told each other what we're going to do when we did it. when we did it with reagan, here's what he said. fill in the detail. >> you work with congress. look, let me say it this way. >> coming from a republican congress, working bipartisanly? 7% rating? >> mitt romney was governor of massachusetts, where 87% of the legislators he served with were democrat. he didn't demonize them. he didn't demagogue them. he reached across the aisle. he didn't compromise principles. >> and you saw what happened. if he did such a great job -- >> vice president -- >> why isn't he even contesting massachusetts? >> what would you suggest, beyond raising taxes on the wealthy, that would substantially reduce -- >> just let the taxes expire like they're supposed to on those millionaires. we can't afford $800 billion going to people making a minimum of $1 million. they do not need it, martha. those 120,000 from
. >> jack kennedy. >> oh, now you're jack kennedy? this is amazing. >> republicans and democrats have worked together -- i understand you guys -- >> we told each other what we're going to do when we did it. when we did it with reagan, here's what he said. fill in the detail. >> you work with congress. look, let me say it this way. >> coming from a republican congress, working bipartisanly? 7% rating? >> mitt romney was governor of massachusetts, where...
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jack kennedy lowered tax rates. >> oh, now you're jack kennedy. jon: they touched on the biggest issues for americans jobs and the economy. their messages directed at middle class voters. >> can you declare anything off limits? >> mortgage loopholes. higher deductions, from higher income people. >> can you guaranty no one making less than 100,000 have a mortgage deduction impacted? >> this tax as million small businesses. he keeps trying to make you think some movie star, hedge fund guy. >> 97% of the small businesses make less than $250,000 a year. would the no be affected. >> this tax is a million people. a million small businesses. >> does it tax 97% of the american businesses? >> it taxes -- >> foreign policy. >> want to get people out of poverty in the middle class for self-sufficiency. we believe in upward mobility. that is we'll push for in romney administration. >> we saved a million jobs. i never met two guys more down on america across the board. we're told everything is going bad. 5.2 million new jobs, private sector jobs. jon: so, fore
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. >>> senator, i served with jack kennedy, i knew jack kennedy, jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> wow. welcome back to "hardball." live from center college in danville, kentucky, site of tonight's big vice presidential debate. for some democrats legitimate frustration with the president's performance at loost week's debate turned into something like panic this week as a number of national polls show the president in a very tight race, even losing in some cases to mitt romney. but in the key battleground states that will decide the election, the numbers tell a somewhat different story so far. according to the latest nbc news/"wall street journal"/maris polls in ohio, florida, and virginia, romney has improved his standing only slightly. in virginia, romney has a one-point advantage. last week the president was up two in that count. in florida the president is up by one. that's not very much. and in ohio the president is up by six points, still solid there. here might be the reason why. in all three states vast majorities say their minds were made
. >>> senator, i served with jack kennedy, i knew jack kennedy, jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> wow. welcome back to "hardball." live from center college in danville, kentucky, site of tonight's big vice presidential debate. for some democrats legitimate frustration with the president's performance at loost week's debate turned into something like panic this week as a number of national polls show the president in a very tight...
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. >> senator, i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> it can be a tough line for a washington veteran to walk, touting experience without talking down to an opponent. something that george h.w. bush failed at during his 1984 debate with geraldine ferraro. >> let me help you with the difference, miss ferraro, between iran and the embassy in lebanon. >> geraldine ferraro, the first ever female vp candidate, shot back with this. >> let me just say, first of all, that i almost resent, vice president bush, your patronizing attitude that you have to teach me about foreign policy. >> sometime just one line can cement the public's view of a candidate. ross perot's running mate, admiral james stockdale, initially got laughs for this opening line. >> who am i? why am i here? >> he ended up the butt of jokes for years to come. then there was bob dole's nasty tone during the '76 debate that helped shape a long-lasting negative image for the future nominee for president. >> i figured out the other day, if we added
. >> senator, i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> it can be a tough line for a washington veteran to walk, touting experience without talking down to an opponent. something that george h.w. bush failed at during his 1984 debate with geraldine ferraro. >> let me help you with the difference, miss ferraro, between iran and the embassy in lebanon. >> geraldine ferraro, the first ever female...
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kennedy lowered rated -- >> oh now you are jack kennedy. [ laughter ] >> one of the astounding things about this whole thing, and the vice president make the point last night but romney in the first debate said he is not going to cut taxes on people. they will pay the same amount if that is it where is his job program? if he is not going to reduce their taxes, where is his job program? he doesn't have one. >> stephanie: yeah. >> this whole thing about raising taxes on small business banks is hysterical. ryan said 53% of income would fall under small business income. but 53% of small business income is earned by 3% of the businesses. they are not small businesses. they are very profitable organizations. >> stephanie: exactly. i couldn't be happier -- what -- obviously you have been talking to a lot of people since the debate. what was your sense? >> i thought everybody on our side thought it was a home run. and i'm not the first one to say this, but the fact that the republican were harping on joe being ruud and smiling too much understand that they lost on substance substantially. the
kennedy lowered rated -- >> oh now you are jack kennedy. [ laughter ] >> one of the astounding things about this whole thing, and the vice president make the point last night but romney in the first debate said he is not going to cut taxes on people. they will pay the same amount if that is it where is his job program? if he is not going to reduce their taxes, where is his job program? he doesn't have one. >> stephanie: yeah. >> this whole thing about raising taxes on...
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. >> i served with jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> that was really uncalled for, senator. >> all that trickle down, i call it niagra falls. >> senator dole and mr. kemp would put the the american economy and a barrel and send it over the falls. >> i see my wife and she's thinking i wish you would go in the private sec sor. zwl i'm going to try to help you do that. >> thinking of your plan, barack obama's offered a clear plan. >> your plan is a white flag of surrender. surrender. >> this is cnn. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >>> the vice presidential candidates, front and center tonight in a campaign that's very close once again. >> just 26 days before the election and we're seeing these debates tonight. >> a young gun republican appearing in his first national debate. >> we can turn this around. it is not too late to revive the american dream. >> an experienced democrat, returning to a familiar stage. >> they just have no credibility. it's not just what you say, it's what you don't. >> both
. >> i served with jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> that was really uncalled for, senator. >> all that trickle down, i call it niagra falls. >> senator dole and mr. kemp would put the the american economy and a barrel and send it over the falls. >> i see my wife and she's thinking i wish you would go in the private sec sor. zwl i'm going to try to help you do that. >> thinking of your plan, barack obama's...
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. >>> senator, i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> part of why the stakes feel so high tonight is that incumbent presidents almost always lose to the candidate challenging them in their first debate. the exception to that is bill clinton beating dole in their first debate in '96. other than that every time the first debate has been a killer for the incokucumbent president. president carter lost to ronald reagan, president reagan lost his first debate to robert mondale. president bush lost his first debate to bill clinton and ross perot. next president bush lost his first debate to john kerry. so when president obama lost his first debate last week to his challenger, mitt romney, that outcome was totally in keeping with the sad, sad incumbent president tradition of getting creamed in their first debate. but what hat means for tonight is that the democrats are looking for a solid performance to try to stop the republican momentum, to try to quash the poll imbalance that romney and ryan have been enjoy
. >>> senator, i served with jack kennedy. i knew jack kennedy. jack kennedy was a friend of mine. senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> part of why the stakes feel so high tonight is that incumbent presidents almost always lose to the candidate challenging them in their first debate. the exception to that is bill clinton beating dole in their first debate in '96. other than that every time the first debate has been a killer for the incokucumbent president. president carter lost to...